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SERGENT CHAR



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:56 pm    Post subject: Re: ERC 90 SAGGAIE Reply with quote
Sorry Gunman ... the name of the ERC 90 is "SAGAIE" .. not "SAGGAIE" Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:02 pm    Post subject: Re: ERC 90 SAGGAIE Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:07 pm    Post subject: Re: ERC 90 SAGGAIE Reply with quote
Upgraded AMX 10P


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:13 pm    Post subject: Re: ERC 90 SAGGAIE Reply with quote
[quote="SERGENT CHAR"]Sorry Gunman ... the name of the ERC 90 is "SAGAIE" .. not "SAGGAIE" Very Happy

Merci pour la correction
Thanks for correction

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SERGENT CHAR



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:30 pm    Post subject: Re: ERC 90 SAGGAIE Reply with quote
GunMan wrote:
Sorry Gunman ... the name of the ERC 90 is "SAGAIE" .. not "SAGGAIE" Very Happy

Merci pour la correction
Thanks for correction

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No problems ! Cool

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:44 pm    Post subject: Re: ERC 90 SAGGAIE Reply with quote
AMX 10 P
Au LIBAN, in LEBANON ...


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AMX 10 VOA - Vehicule d'Observation d'Artillerie
Au LIBAN, in LEBANON ...


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:51 pm    Post subject: Re: ERC 90 SAGGAIE Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:25 am    Post subject: ERC SAGAIE Reply with quote
Dear Gunman,

That photo shows the solution to the problem that the French had in fitting a high velocity smooth bore cannon that could fire a APDS-FS round: ie the muzzle brake interfered with the falling away of the sabots that surrounded the dart. The original one had a square sort of muzzle brake (photo of Sagaie being tested shows original muzzle brake) and then they came up with that rounded model that solves the problem.

The Sagaie and Lynx major weakiness is like the British Scorpion series which is its engine: under powered and gasoline. But as the French point out in a light armored vehicle if you get hit by anything that will penetrate the armor it does not matter if it is gasoline or diesel. The crew is most likely dead anyway.

The US Army's 101st Airmobile (helicopters) and the 82nd Airborne (parachute) was very interested in the Sagaie when it was introduced. But they were told to forget it -- if it was not designed and made in the US it was "No Go!"

Finally, the Mexican Army bought a version called the Lynx. Instead of a high velocity cannon it mounted a shorter barrel medium velocity cannon. Never could figure out why the Mexican Army chose the Lynx over the Sagaie. Then I saw US vehicles driving those river beds and roads in Afghanistan. The Sagaie for all its advantages is limited in its ability to elevate it cannon while the Lynx has a good super elevation specification almost like a high angle howitzer.

Jack E. Hammond

PS> I apologize for the quality of the Jpegs. They are from official brochures and have been in storage for a long -- LONG -- while.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jacke,

Thank you for all pictures and information

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:37 pm    Post subject: Re: ERC 90 SAGGAIE Reply with quote
SERGENT CHAR wrote:
AMX 10 VOA - Vehicule d'Observation d'Artillerie
Au LIBAN, in LEBANON ...



Quand je compare les deux tourelles sur les photos, je les trouve différentes.
Si je ne me trompe pas, la première photo "n'est pas un AMX 10 VOA", mais un AMX 10P?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:43 pm    Post subject: Re: ERC 90 SAGGAIE Reply with quote
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SERGENT CHAR wrote:
AMX 10 VOA - Vehicule d'Observation d'Artillerie
Au LIBAN, in LEBANON ...



Quand je compare les deux tourelles sur les photos, je les trouve différentes.
Si je ne me trompe pas, la première photo "n'est pas un AMX 10 VOA", mais un AMX 10P?

Gunman Idea

Affirmatif, c'est une erreur de ma part.
Je n'ai pas mis la photo correspondante.

Toutes mes excuses ! Embarassed
Je vais éditer le titre ...

Voici un AMX 10 VOA :


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:57 pm    Post subject: DEFENDER used by Gendarmerie Reply with quote
This picture coming from a friend after his return of KFOR duty

DEFENDER used by Gendarmerie



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Very nice picture Tam

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